Blue&White
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I read it as he wants to make clear that you can pursue academics and football, and this was a choice Hiben was making. He could still do both.
Sorry, OL, but I completely disagree with you. I also have no issue with what Weiss said here and I think it's well established that I am anything but a ND apologist.
Btw, I had no idea Ron Powles was working at ND as the director of personnel development. You would think with all those Heisman's he won he would be well on his way to a hall of fame NFL career.
oh, wait a minute....... now I remember. He actually sucked once he got to college. 
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oldlioness
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Well I disagree....
the kid said:
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"What it really comes down to," Hiben said, "is architecture is more important than football to me."
That seems pretty clear to me that he is making a personal choice and not saying anything that warrants a long drawn out response from the HC talking about the impact on other architecture recruits blah, blah, blah! I'm sorry, but I think a head coach going into detail about a student's personal decision is in poor taste...the kid didn't call the media and say that the football program wouldn't work with him and he had to quit....so giving out all of those details is imo a slam on the kid and was totally unnecessary.
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I don't really get why Weis go so feisty about it. The kid made it clear that he didn't have hard feelings about the Weis or the football program, but just didn't think he could handle both. What's wrong with that? Some kids can cut it, others can't.
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oldlioness
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The kid made it clear that he didn't have hard feelings about the Weis or the football program, but just didn't think he could handle both. What's wrong with that? Some kids can cut it, others can't.
Exactly my point...when Chris Wilson elected to leave the PSU FB team to focus on the Schreyer Honors College, Joe didn't call up the media and discuss all the steps he took to help the kid out, or voice concern that other potential Schreyer kids would shy away from the program. It seems to me that we have a bruised ego here, and there's nothing (other than a win over Lllllloyd) that I'd like more is to bruise that huge ego even more by having our guys go into SB and lay a smack down on the Domers! 
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"Here's the problem I have,'' Weis said. "When a kid wants to leave the football program, I have no problem with that if that's what they so choose. But when the implication is that Notre Dame football would not allow him to pursue his academic dreams, I think that sends a very bad message.
I agree with that 100% ... and you can substitute any other college for "Notre Dame" in that statement. If a kid as bright as Hiben can't combine scholarship and football, then that's a concession that the whole concept of student-athlete is a farce. Weiss wasn't willing to make that concession.
"It had to do with the fact that he didn't want to play football anymore. And there's a big difference between what he said to you and what the truth really is. I'm not putting the kid under the bus because I wish him well. He's a good kid. This is not an adversarial relationship. It was a very cordial relationship. I just think it came down to he just didn't want to play football anymore.""
Again, I agree. Think about it. Hiben could have taken a reduced course load, say an 80% load, and graduated in 5 years (which most kids do these days anyways). Four of those years would have been freebies. Instead, he's going to wrack up $100,000+ in student loans? I think it's pretty obvious he didn't want to play football any more (which is fine).
I suppose an argument could be made that Weis could have just said "no comment" ... but if Hiben had simply told the reporter who called him, "It's a personal decision I don't wish to share with you", that would have been the end of the story.
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oldlioness
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Sorry, we'll just disagree. This is the part I have a problem with... Quote:
But when the implication is that Notre Dame football would not allow him to pursue his academic dreams, I think that sends a very bad message.
Who made this implication...certainly not the kid. He stated it was his choice and didn't implicate the program in any way. For Weiss to come out and make that kind of comment smells of sour grapes because he gave the kid options which he chose not to take.
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"It had to do with the fact that he didn't want to play football anymore.
The kid came out and said that...imo Weiss's coming off very badly and not supportive of academics by treating this issue in this fashion. I'm sure you like the guy because your a PATs fan....but I think bringing pro guys into the college game who have never spent a great deal of time with students is creating a situatiuon that academics are diminished. Weiss came off more concerned about the impact on recruiting than on the privacy concerns of an individual student, and imho that's taking the wrong path. All he had to say was that the kid chose a different path than was offered to him, wish him well and leave it at that....but to call the kid out as making a decision that could have negative "implications" is wrong.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots. If this kid played at Wake Forest ... and made the same statement to the Press ... and the Wake Forest coach made the same statement in return ... I would have responded the EXACT same way.
No offense OL, but this is the Notre Dame Haters thread, so under the circumstances, it seems a little silly to suggest bias on my part. That said, I'll let it go. I don't hate ND, so posting on this thread is probably inappropriate.
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I am an ND hater, and I agree with dad on this. I read this as Hiben saying it wasn't possible for him to pursue academics and football, and Weiss responded and simply said "yes, it was and he just made a choice to not play football anymore".
I don't read anything in this as Weiss saying that football should come first, academics don't matter, or even taking a shot at this kid.
I think you are reading a lot more into Weiss' statements than is really there. I think if this happened at PSU, it's not unlikely that Joe would say something similar. In fact, Joe has said all along that you can pursue academics and football.
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oldlioness
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"Whatever"
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Weiss responded and simply said "yes, it was and he just made a choice to not play football anymore"
No...that's not all he said...if it were I wouldn't have a problem with it, nor would a large number of posters over on FOS. Joe has been faced with the exact situation with Chris Wilson leaving FB for the Schreyer Honors College and Dethrell Garcia leaving for academics and made no comment other than they left the program for academic reasons.
In any case, I'll not comment further on this.....and yes I am reading a great deal into this because from what I gather, Weiss is very shrewd and sees this as a way to put a lid on any other kid leaving the team to "not" inform the press. That's my take and I'm sticking with it!
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Seeing that I am getting grief for not posting enough, I offer this for your entertainment:
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50Deep
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JC, that might be the absolute greatest thing i have ever seen. I must send it to my buddy that goes to ND. Thank you so much for posting that!!!!!
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You might want to keep that quiet. Chuck Norris has been lurking in these parts, and you're supposed to say "Walker, Texas Ranger is the best thing I've ever seen."
Just keep your head on a swivel and watch out for a roundhouse kick out of nowhere.
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psubalt
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And yet another Chuck Norris reference. What am I missing?
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Less than you think, balt.
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All innocuous references to Chuck Norris aside, St. Patrick's Day is coming up. Refuse to wear any shamrocks, or "Kiss Me, I'm Irish" stickers as a showing of your passionate hatred for Our Lady.
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